Monday, February 13, 2006

Protesters target Mexican immigrants? Wrong!

Eugene Register Guard
Register guard gets it wrong... again!
"We're not against immigrants, We're against illegal immigrants."

Last Saturday, February 11, 2006, the state of Oregon and the University of Oregon hosted another in a series of "carousel of information" for illegal aliens.

Unlike the Register guard's headline buried on the front page of section "C", stating, "Protesters Target Session for Mexican Immigrants" is misleading.
Anti-immigration activists rallied Saturday in Eugene to oppose providing state social services to noncitizens and to criticize the Mexican consulate for issuing identification cards to immigrants.

The news media makes it sound as if we are protesting ALL immigration... that is false! We are protesting ILLEGAL immigration only.

For those who have a problem understanding the difference... please let me clarify it.

LEGAL immigrants are the people who come through the front door, go through the process of obtaining their green cards, in addition to the other requirements such as learning English to become a CITIZEN of the United States.

Illegal immigrants are the people who sneak through the backdoor, bypass the process of law and immigration systems to come into this country. They have no respect for our laws as proof by their presence here.

To simplify for those who just don't get it...
One is LEGAL while the other is ILLEGAL... any questions?
"I don't think it's right for people to come here and step in front of line," said Daniel Miglavs of Sherwood, a spokesman for Oregonians for Immigration Reform. The group, based in McMinnville, formed six years ago to call attention to the economic, social and environmental costs of uncontrolled immigration.

But Angel Lopez, legal adviser for the Mexican consular, said he felt the protesters were interfering with the legitimate business affairs of a foreign government. He said the event deserved tighter security by federal marshals to ensure order

Legitimate business affairs of a foreign government??? [Sponsored in cooperation of the State of Oregon and your tax dollars] I would like to hear further explanation on this issue.


Blogger greenInk said...

If a law is unjust, the people have no obligation to follow it. Preventing people from crossing an imaginary geographical line in order to provide for their families is immoral and, in my opinion, a violation of basic human rights.

The only difference between illegal immigrants from Mexico and legal immigrants is that most of illegals simply can't wait for years - sometimes up to a decade - to go through the "proper channels." Their families are hungry.

Plus you must know that many of the "legal" immigrants spent years coming across the border as illegals to work while waiting and hoping for their American masters to grant them legal license to enter the country - much of which was stolen from the ancestors of those you call illegal now.

The whole thing is a farce. Subservient kowtowing to an immoral government at best, racist fearmongering at worst.

9:07 AM  
Blogger : JustaDog said...

This one tweeked me too - and I did a post yesterday and let it sit in draft mode. I read about it in the Register-Guard, and was more disturbed by their coverage of that event in Eugene (this past Saturday) than the event itself.

The distortion of those that support illegals sickens me, and their lies that anyone against illegal aliens is racist. The Register-Guard article even extended that further by directly associating these "racist" protestors with Republicsns. Link to the article on my site!

9:16 AM  
Blogger Bob said...

Senor Lopez brings up a good point: Why aren't Federal Marshalls there? Because the embassy and so called "public servants" are skirting the law.

11:23 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point is that we are a nation of laws, and as such there are systems in place to change the laws if they don't work.

Just because we don't like a law is not a reason not to follow it.

I am the first to admit that the system is not perfect. However is it right or even fair to those folks who came here legally to allow people that did not special rights?

The only difference between illegal immigrants from Mexico and legal immigrants is that most of illegals simply can't wait for years - sometimes up to a decade - to go through the "proper channels." Their families are hungry.

That still does not excuse them from breaking the law. I have went without food and almost starved to death, but I did not steal. There were not any programs to help me; I had to find a way to get work so that I could survive.

A question that I'll put to you is with the millions that are coming here, if things are so bad in Mexico, why then don't these millions band together and make their homeland better?

Instead of running, why not fight?

I am asking out of honest curiosity, because I really don't know.

Geographical lines are important to maintain the county’s security and to control the influx of immigrants. Without such security we loose our country and our freedoms.

For example, because of the large number of people coming across the boarder now, a lot of employers are requiring that you speak Spanish. Is that fair to us that we have to make such a change because of the impact of illegally that come to this country? If they were legal, that is another story.

Take that same scenario and now you have to learn Japanese or French or whatever in your own country to get a job. Is that also fair?

No! If I move to another country then I am expected to learn their language, not them to learn mine.

1:22 PM  
Blogger greenInk said...

Anonymous... The phrase "we are a nation of laws" is a regular conservative soundbite, but it means nothing. Of course we are a nation of laws. All countries are nations of laws. Laws are what define nations. Laws and borders.

If you would starve to death, or allow your family to do so, rather than break the law, I would suggest your priorities are too closely aligned with those of the state (which seeks to protect capital at all costs) and not with the natural propensity of living creatures toward self-preservation.

I didn't say "just because we don't like a law" we shouldn't follow it. Sometimes I don't like the 65 mph speed limit. I don't like the law that says I have to pay taxes. But I follow them. It's laws that are immoral or at odds with the basic rights of living creatures that should be amended, abolished or ignored.

Why don't the millions of Mexicans join together to make their country greater? I don't know. Maybe their government is as corrupt and dismissive of its subjects as ours is. Maybe viva la revolucion sounds better on a full stomach. Maybe they care as much for Mexico City as I do for Washington, D.C., and would rather spend their energies improving their own situations. I honestly don't know the answer.

You say: Geographical lines are important to maintain the county’s security and to control the influx of immigrants. Without such security we loose our country and our freedoms.

How? This is a circular argument. It's not "our" country. It is the place where we choose to live and work. Why should others be denied that choice? The cause of liberty is not forwarded by restricting it for others.

The language issue is another red herring. Businesses are driven by the free market, right? So, if a significant portion of their customer base is Spanish-speaking and they choose to make Español a job requirement, they have the right to do so. They also have the right to NOT conduct business in Spanish. We can't have it both ways, both relying on a Hispanic clientele and complaining that the business must adapt to that clientele.

Businesses don't care if their customers are legal or not, as long as the money is green (or whatever color those new $20s are now).

3:18 PM  
Anonymous Vonski said...

Greenink -

"We are a nation of laws" is a regular conservative soundbite? Might want to tell John Kerry to stop using it. Might want to send the word out to Dem Whip, Steny Hoyer> also. Or, how about Janet Reno when she shipped Elian Gonzalez back to Cuba? Okay, now that is out of the way, the issue goes beyond that of hunger.

I think you're missing the main issues, the security and sovereignty of the US. When people cross into this country illegally, don't pay taxes and then take advantage of government programs they have no part of - or even worse, put our citizens in danger, their rights should not take precedence over ours

I don't agree that this is not "our" country. Yes, it is. And, if people want to make it their country too, they are welcome to do so. They need to follow the right path in though before they should be recognized. That process should include background checks and a way to keep track of their earnings so that we can be sure they don't mean our country harm and so they can help to support the country they are living in instead of just taking.

9:28 PM  
Blogger Daniel said...

Speak it Vonksi!

10:19 PM  
Blogger Sailor Republica said...

It most certainly is MY country.

My ancestors were the first ones here, even before the damn Azteckers.


11:21 PM  
Anonymous Bob H. said...

Robin, check out the videos that are attached to a comment about Eugene's anti-illegal immigration rally in the Dailey Emerald. They are from a woman in California.

2:14 AM  
Blogger Robin said...

Bob, could you please provide a link? I was unable to find the video.

8:17 AM  
Anonymous Bob H. said...

Robin, I'm sorry I don't know how to attach automatic links to this comment board. If you can tell me easily please do. I am familular with some HTML tags.
Maybe you can get to the videos I suggested by using this link:
If not just go to the Daily Emerald and hit the archive link, in the search put immigration and the first two articles are very good. on the second one titled, Matricula consular issuance protest, there is a comment at the bottom from Diane Chavez, go to that comment and read it and the links to the videos are there. This is probably what we will face in protests to come. Bob H.

1:59 PM  
Blogger Robin said...

Thanks bob.

I agree that these videos are worth checking out. Hat tip to Diane Chavez for the video and Bob H. for bringing it to our attention.
Videos provided by

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